Labiaplasty website ---Unbelievable

i cant get it to work?

I asked my gyno/labia plasty doctor about getting it done cause one side of my labia is longer than the other and it made me sad when i looked at it. she said no and that most times after surgery sex can be painful, scaring may never go away and feeling/sensation isnt the same.

i was shocked that she didnt just want to make a buck off me but she was honest.

im now learning to love my labia lips and just be greatful that i am a healthy 20 year old.

:)

Angelfire,

Your doctor deserves a medal, ans well as an endorsement, and a lot of business for her honesty and morality over the dollar for telling you how it truly is.

And what is truly upsetting about this website is that it appears to be for a female doctor.

t_d

Hello Angelfire18
I think that you should consider yourself fortunate that you consulted a surgeon who is honest and obviously has scruples.
She is quite right with respect to the scarring, painful sex and loss of sensation. These symptoms don't affect everyone, but they do exist.
I think what is important is for you to adopt the right mental attitude---- learn to love your body, try not to harbour any negative feelings towards yourself. If you tell yourself you are OK, then you will feel OK.
Eventually you will meet someone who will care for you and accept you  --- just the way you are.
If you wish to share any thoughts with me, or need any further encouragement, feel free to e-mail me
Cheers
Gerry

All the concerns expressed about labial surgery above are quite valid and should be seriously considered.  Labial surgery is not for everyone and I agree that for most it should not be even considered.  However, there are a myriad of reasons that lead women to my practice.  There is the teenager who keeps falling out of her swimsuit to the ridicule of others, the horseback rider who chaffs and bleeds, the underwear model, the recently divorced mom with traumatic injuries and malformation, and the everyday Jane who has been teased by her boyfriends and now has such low self esteem.  These can arguably be handled by counseling and self help and lifestyle changes but it does not help to add on more sense of shame or guilt if a woman has tried it all and has come to the conclusion that she wants labial surgery done, for whatever reason.  It is empowering to decide your own fate.  I do not feel the labial surgeries are cruel and they certainly are not mutilating.  These are NOT genital mutilation surgeries and are more akin to a meticulous facelift that does not damage nerves or cause life altering scarring.  I am the surgeon who does these procedures and the website above is one I provide for my patients.  If the public knew the reality of just how safe the surgeries are it would give a balanced view to what are not accurately described on many websites.  For example, labial surgery can be done under local anesthesia with minimal blood loss.  The labial area almost never scars or forms keloids.  The scars that form are thin lines that remain soft and are not palpable.  The clitoral nerves are not touched and there is no nerve damage in the huge majority of surgeries.  The nerve problems occur when the clitoral hood is pulled back or retracts back.  Pain with intercourse is infrequent and fleeting and usually only at the very beginning when the edges are softening up, and once healed, pain with intercourse is resolved.  Again, this is exceptionally rare but does occur on occasion.  On the comments alluding to greed a
ttributed to doctors, it does occur and you must do your best to find the right surgeon that has your best interest at heart.  I hope this gives a balanced view of a very controversial topic.  

Red Alinsod, MD
www.pelvicsurgeon.com

Red,

Although I admire your courage for showing your "face" here, I hope you,are not too surprised when your letter is met by open hostility here.

Most of the reasons you gave above, in my opinion, are purely for aesthetics and appear to me that the women in question would be far better served by reassuring them that their labia ARE NOT deformed, and ARE beautiful and unique. This has been the case for countless women who have come here trying not to feel like freaks, and have left here feeling beautiful and sexy.  

It is my firm belief that labiaplasty for and reason other than reconstructive purposes is a real tragedy, doctors who perform such procedures as anything other than a last resort, or without at least making a concerted effort to dissuade the lady in question deserve to be shunned at the very least. Those who advocate such a thing must have a special place in hell just for them.

I fear for your soul, t_d

Dear TD,  

Of course I am well aware of the tempest I have stepped into and feel quite secure for my soul.  I am a lucky person to be judged by a higher power and not by man or my peers.  My purpose to respond is to help show balance and help encourage an open mind and reduce the knee jerk reaction readers of this space may have.  I used to be completely anti-surgery in many things but when you are on this side of things, hearing the concerns women have on a daily basis, your vision broadens and acceptance becomes a just character trait.  I try to neither sway opinion or cement a view but to give a balanced look at things.  Thank you for the opportunity to give perhaps a minority view.  

Red Alinsod, MD
pelvicsurgeon.com

In response to Reds comments:

Red, I am afraid that your objectivity in regards to this subject is suspect.  I base this opinion first on what I believe to be your heritage and secondly on the money factor.  In regards to heritage, I am of the opinion that you are of Filipino decent and have a preference for the underdeveloped labia normally found on women in that part of the world (personally I prefer the full lips often found on women of eastern European decent).  In regards to money, I estimate that you make the kingly sum of $6 million per year (4 per day * 5 days week * 48 weeks * $6,200) on labiaplasty.

I am of the opinion that you see yourself as an artist.  Red the fact is that in regards to vulva you are a Philistine.  I am sickened by the photographs of the beautiful flowers you have mutilated by cutting the petals to stubs (your RIM look) or fully amputated (your Barbie look).  

Of your two disfigurement options, I find the "Barbie" look the most disturbing.  That you would lure women into voluntary mutilation by capitalizing on their childhood memories of the doll that they are lead to believe symbolizes the ultimate in femininity is illegal and unconscionable.  Yes Red, it is illegal to profit off Mattel Corporations trademarked "Barbie" name without their consent.  I request that you cease infringing on Mattel's trademarked brand and switch to a name that more appropriately defines what you are doing.  I suggest switching to a name like "Full Disfigurement" or "Maximum Mutilation".

On your argument that what you are doing is  NOT genital mutilation  I must say that I beg to differ.  I believe you have been corrupted by the easy money (getting $6,200 for ½ hour of your time) and your personal vulva preferences to actually believe/rationalize that you are not mutilating women.  If I were to present the same question to the practitioners of Female Genital Mutilation (FMG) would they not adamantly deny that they were performing genital mutilation.  

In defense of the practitioners of FMG, they are ignorant and stupid individuals.  You have no such defense, being that you are an educated and intelligent doctor who is well aware of the natural variation of the female form.

I hope my words break you out of your self delusion on the heinous nature of the mutilations you are performing and that you return to the honorable side of the medical profession.

F.L.

Dr. Red,

Until your a woman and understand what it's like to have a long labia or a pussy infact I would keep your doctor talk and encouragement for labiaplasty to yourself. Us women come to this website to feel good about ourselves and not think of the reason's why we need this surgery.

Thank you but us women (and the wonderful men that enjoy long labia ;) ) dont need your encouragement for this surgery to cut off what God gave us beautiful women.

God Bless,
Angelfire18

Red,
After your second response I no longer fear for your soul, I see that it has completely left you. As for you wishing to show balance to this website. I think the revulsion grew inside me as I read that that I threw up in my mouth a little. I want you to know that THIS WEBSITE IS THE BALANCE! We know this to be true due to the fact that this is one of a few website like this that are pro pussy in all its shapes sizes and colors. while there are so many of websites like yours that are, in my opinion, at least partially responsible for the confusion, hurt and destroyed self-image that leads ultimately to women seeking out "doctors" like yourself in the hopes of giving you thousands of dollars to mutilate their vaginas. I think that somewhere along the way you either forgot what the Hypocratic Oath said, or you became confused about its meaning.

Thanks but no thanks. I don't think we need your kind of "balance" here. We've had about as much as we can handle.  

Don't go away mad....no...on second thought, go away mad.  t_d

"Dr." (butcher) Red,
I want to have a professional conversation with you and I'm trying hard to keep my cool but I'm afraid you irritate me so much that I just want to punch you in the face! Ok I'll try to stay polite...oh wait...did you say "barbie look"?...forget it, you have left no room for respect! Barbie dolls don't even have genitals! If I see you, I'll personally give you a "Ken look"!  
Thanks a lot that you want to "help" me get rid of my "Ridiculous" bulge (as you suggested), I'll do it after you cut your balls (if you have any) because u know...bulges are just so wrong!

4 years ago I came across a selfish labiaplasty site like yours. Not haven't seen anyone else's vulva I believed the crap u advertised and I became so distressed until I found this life-saving website which made me realize the nasty lies of you greedy predators. Do you give a shit about what you're doing to women?

I have larger labia than most of the women in those pictures and I experience zero discomfort during sex and activities (including riding bikes and horses) so I'm having a hard time buying the discomfort claims. But I do know that you can become paranoid by reading the misleading info conscienceless people like yourself feed the public. You can become so self-consciounce that you mix up the feeling of sensation with pain. I do remember feeling uncomfortable sitting on my labia while staring at a labiaplasty website with disbelief for the first time. "chaffs and bleeds"?...oh please...how many horseback riding champions do you operate on?

Even if some exceptional women, for reasons mysterious to me, might sometimes feel minor discomfort, is it worth losing those fun sensitive parts and feeling regret that you disfigured your intact flower?  
I know it is worth a lot of money for you...

Please let the women "decide their own fate" and don't shove down their throats what "you" want them to think looks good.

Thank you for the opportunity to present one side of a controversial topic.  I appreciate the passion, anger, and deep feelings of resentment expressed and I am happy there are websites like this that can be a forum of discussion.  My goal is not to offend, irritate, or make personal attacks towards anyone and I am here simply to ask for understanding for those who do not agree with the majority on this website.  Yes, I am Filipino but I grew up in Los Angeles.  No, I have never judged anyone by the size of their labia.  No, I do not make anywhere close to the $6M a year Frank has suggested.  I do only two cases a day on average and operate on average two days a week, and many of the days are purely for reconstructive purposes without aesthetics.  Each case is 3-4 hours and not 30 minutes.  It is always good to hear both sides of an issue.  Even for a "Philistine."  I have learned a great deal in my interactions with the guests of this website.  Thank you for the opportunity.  

Sincerely,

Red Alinsod, MD
www.pelvicsurgeon.com

Dr. Red,

I pride myself on being able to take a fair and balanced approach on most subjects, and towards that end I have taken the time to visit your website.  

While there I was witness to what I consider to be unspeakable horrors in the form of, I'll just call them "mishaps" for simple lack of being able even think of a better term, of the female anatomy. It is in these areas that I think that you do truly good and remarkable work. And it is in these areas that I hope, and will try to convince myself, that you spend the majority of your time.  

I am not even totally against labiaplasty. As I have stated in the past, I can see the need for labiaplasty for re constructive purposes. And I can even sort of probably doing it for aesthetics after trying to convince a woman of the hazards and there not really being any good reason for it just to keep a woman from going to a real butcher who will really fuck her pussy up.  

What got you in trouble here was you trying to justify the procedure for women who wanted it for not better reason to us than the fact that her labia were in the way, or that they didn't fall into the "normal" ideation of what is pretty.And then you further insulted, I think women in general by having what appears to be, a few models to choose from so that a woman can get a customized pussy as if she were picking out the interior of a new car.

We here love the woman's anatomy, in all of its shapes, sizes, colors and imperfections.In fact, it's those little imperfections that makes each woman unique and special and why I love all of them.  

And I wish you could have seen and respected that...doctor.

Regards t_d

Mr. Red, since your website is still advertising the horrific and unconscionable "Barbie" (Barbie is a registered trademark of Mattel corporation) labia mutilation, I have to conclude that your last statement of "I have learned a great deal in my interactions with the guests of this website" is simply empty rhetoric.

When I mentioned 30 minutes, I was referring to your surgical time (as listed on your website for the time it takes to amputate a vulva) and not the full time it takes to process a victim through your abattoir.  I apologize for not factoring in the additional 15 - 30 minutes of your time luring the victim or the 2 - 3 hours of your accomplices.  Of course you have a trained staff who skillfully manipulate women who fall for the initial bait (posted in various ad mediums) to part with their vulva and dollars.  Do you pay them salary plus bonus based upon the number of victims or is it straight commission?  

I read your bio and have nothing but respect for your 12 years when as Dr. Alinsod you worked as a U.S. Air Force gynecologist.  But I fear that Dr. Alinsod drank a potion called greed and became the mutilator of women referred to as Mr. Red.

In your bio you also mention that you earned your medical degree from the School of Medicine at Loma Linda University.  I went to Loma Linda University's website and found the following in the about the school section.

Since opening in 1909, Loma Linda University's School of Medicine has been training skilled medical professionals with a commitment to Christian service. The school has always endeavored to combine the best medical science with caring, Christian compassion. Loma Linda students are trained in a context emphasizing the patient's needs and preventive care to offset future disease.

Medical students spend the first two years studying a heavy science curriculum balanced by class work in human behavior, religion, and ethics. As juniors, students spend time in clinical rotations and instruction in family medicine, gynecology and obstetrics, medicine, pediatrics, psychiatry, radiology, and surgery. Seniors rotate through advanced training in medicine and surgery and finish their degree with four months of electives.

Loma Linda medical students have the unique opportunity to utilize their skills in human betterment. Most medical students participate in two very popular University programs: Social Action Community Health System and Students for International Mission Service. In each they help deliver medical care to lower-income people and others who have no access to basic medical care.

Mr. Red, what you are doing in regards to labia amputation is about as far as you can go in the medical profession from utilizing your  skills in human betterment .  

Mr. Red, any chance you could free Dr. Alinsod from your greedy grasp?

F.L.

I would just like to point out that I am a young girl who enjoys horseback riding, I am a swimmer and I am a model and I have never had any chaffing or bleeding, I have never "fallen out" of my bathing suit and the only person who has ever mocked my lips was my ex who only did it because he knew it hurt me. I have bigger and plumper lips than those in the pictures and I believe that what you are doing is wrong. Any of those problems could be fixed by perhaps wearing panties?! Or wearing a bathing suit that fits (thong bikinis are most likely not a way to go) and in modeling I have never had to take off my panties so I can not see it being a problem. In panties my vag looks like what you call the "barbie look". And for the record, barbie is over rated. If barbie was a real person, her feet alone would be too small to withstand the rest of her body and she would be in a wheel chair (thank high school movies about the human body and what's natural that taught me that) and beside the point who wants to be made out of plastic other than that camera whore Heidi (or whatever her name is). I am twenty years old, and for me it was genetic. My mother and my older sister both share the gift of lips. My sister was going to get the surgery when she was getting her tubes tied but chickened out. It was only a few months later that we talked about it and I learned we had more in common than we thought. I talked her out of rescheduling the appointment (thank god!) by teaching her the cons of the procedure. I am a HUGE labia activist. I am proud of what I have and have no problem talking to other about it now. This site helped me with that. So for you to come here and tell us that we are wrong about our views (which is bullshit because I know several women who have gone through the surgery and no longer enjoy sex (apparently not as rare as you say)) I suggest you venture somewhere else because it is surgeons like you that make it harder for women like me to open the eyes to men about what is natural on the woman body. It is surgeons like you who made me feel abnormal my entire life and made it a terrifying experience to get close to someone. So all I have to say to you, Dr. Red, is fuck off. You are not welcome here.

Wow,

When I initially made my predictions on how Red would be received here I had no idea how right I would be, although I really believe he went out of his way to add fuel to this particular fire.

Shawna,
I love to read posts of proud outspoken women like you.
I bet your confidence is very sexy to men ;)
I myself love my labia so much that I wish I could go on dates in nude to show them off!

Thank you Jessica, I love to talk about my pretty pussy. It's funny though because I am pretty sure when I talk about it my guy friends think I am joking around with them... It is quite humorous at times because I am always completely serious about it. It keeps them guessing ;) I used to be so self conscious about it but now I couldn't care less. At least if I talk about it openly in front of men I can get their reaction right then and there. Never fails :) At least I know who not to waste my time with. Nothing better than bragging about how soft my lips are :D lol

Wow. . .

I apologize for not being more active on the site during this time-frame. . .

First let me just tell the great "doctor". . .that the human body exists in perfect form, and there is never a need to change it.

Now on the other hand, if you're born with tumors all over your face, and the condition is life-threatening then surgery is most likely a viable option, but when we're talking about a woman's pussy or any other part of her body (I'm not really for breast enlargement either -- I like 'em natural), surgery is ever hardly a viable option, especially since most women who walk into to a doctor's office like yours are probably just feeling insecure about what they have, and then the few who actually experience pain or discomfort based on their lifestyles can find remedies like Shawn suggested to fix the problem in thought and in deed.

Surgery is hardly ever the option for these women.

Sorry doc, but it's a good thing you weren't at a SexyLabia.com get-together -- you might not have made it out alive.

I'm supposed to be the level-headed one among us, and I fear I would've joined in the stomping and kicking that would've ensued on your poor, helpless body as the women kicked you while you were down, and perhaps "emasculated" you in the most basic manner (hint,hint) and the men spit on you and tormented you further for the lack of balls you have to stand up for women on an issue that is highly controversial, but still quite obvious in the opinion all should have on this topic.

But still, this controversy is a bit like the one that surrounds abortion -- another issue I won't get into.

Either way Doc, I'm sure you could've easily chosen a more sound means of being "doctor" -- perhaps as a psychologist or psychiatrist to try and understand why the women who make the decision to get a labia-plasty do so in the first place, and help them to understand why they are already beautiful the way they are, and that there are other remedies to solving their labia issues if they are experiencing pain or discomfort (I suspect the majority who go through with the surgery do so purely for aesthetic reasons).

But then suggesting that would mean you would have had to acquire your Ph.D in something constructive, rather than destructive, and then I remember to myself, you're still a man.

Men find it much easier to destroy rather than create, which is why as a population, we've discovered millions of ways to kill each other, yet not one of us has ever lived past the ripe old age of 200 years old.  So many ways to destroy, not one developed yet to create and/or preserve that which we value most in the first place.

Take care Doc. . .

- Eric

Wow. I am just horrified to read this doctor's self-promotional drivel. I, too, have labia at least as long as these models', and while I can feel them when I'm sitting on a bike or horse, I have never once experienced pain. As for difficulties having sex, I'm completely puzzled. While I suppose it could happen in a small minority of women, I strongly suspect that the majority who report pain from having long labia do so because they want the surgery. They feel unsexy and it's part of the case they've built up in their minds in order to get this done.

Labi, would you consider removing Red's website address from his posts? Why provide a forum for him to promote his practice here?  

So many of your reader letters are from women who hated their labia when they first stumbled upon this site. This guy is smart enough to know that posting his full name and website here is a great advertising opportunity.

Personally, I am so grateful to you for creating this site -- a place where women can learn to love their extra-sexy pussies. Don't let this guy use you for advertising space!

Sincerely,
Sarah

PS Check out this British study on labiaplasty. The researchers (gotta love that British humor) make the tongue-in-cheek comment that male genitalia stick out somewhat further than women's, with no noticeable complaints about pants-wearing or horseback riding.

www.doublex.com/blog/xxfactor/disneyfied-vaginas-questioned-cranky-british-researchers

I am 21 years old and I love my labia. I noticed they were larger than average when I was about 13. I was embarrassed to change in front of my friends, which was difficult seeing that I am a dancer and often have to change around other women. I started dating someone when I was 15, and wouldn't allow him to touch my pussy for a long time. I remember I was so nervous when I finally let him see...but he loved them and went on to perform oral sex on me frequently for the rest of our relationship. My next boyfriend also loved them...maybe even more. He just loved looking at my long pink inner labia and plump juicy outer labia. My boyfriend now also loves them...so there you have it. Every guy I have been with loves them. The only time I ever faced criticism was this year in the locker room of my dance studio. I was bent over in a thong and a woman I dance with giggled and said i should fix myself, and that I had big lips for being such a thin person. I told her that she should grow up...and keep her eyes off me. I am confident about my long labia and I would never let a stupid comment like that ruin my self-esteem. Girls, if you are considering labiaplasty please reconsider, even if you have been teased like I have. You must invest in your own self confidence, not in a cosmetic surgery. I will admit I have experienced mild discomfort.....usually because I am wearing underwear that is just too small! and sometimes during sex my boyfriend has to pull my lips open but he thinks its sexy and I think its a huge turn on. Anyway the point is...Love your Labia. They are SO SEXY.